- Client:'I want to be number 1 in Google.'
- Me:Sigh. 'Everyone does. Did you have any keywords in mind?'
- Client:'I was thinking of all these words.' (Client hands me a list of words including "sex", "poker", "loans" and so on.)
- Me:'Those have nothing to do with your business.'
- Client:'Yes, but lots of people search for them.'
- Me (thinks):'Did I travel back in time to 1996? Am I suddenly the Marty McFly of SEO? I wonder why DeLorean cars weren't more popular ...'
- Client:'Dave?'
- Me:'Sorry. Ok, we need to talk. Let me explain how search and online marketing actually work ...'
It is amazing how many people hire online marketers without the faintest idea of what online marketers actually do. Search engine optimisation (SEO) is fairly simple - SEOs will try and improve your site's performance, usually by trying to leverage their knowledge of how search engines work and tricks they can use to make sites seem more relevant than they actually are to specific keywords.
Marketing online, though, need not have anything to do with search engines. Search engines are irrelevant - good positions and traffic are a by-product of effective online marketing.
Unfortunately, after educating a client on what online marketing is, they usually assume that if they pay you a few hundred pounds, you can make their site compete with the very best out there.
- Client:'Ok, I see. Great positions aren't necessarily worth much unless there are customers searching for those keywords.'
- Me:'Right. We want high traffic, but not if it's not going to be bad for your bottom line. Traffic that doesn't convert to sales just costs you money. Same applies for phrases people never search for. No point being number one for the phrase "fish banana druid" - it's likely to get you as many customers as peeing on people that walk past your shop will.'
- Client:'Ok, so if I pay you, say, £300, how long before I'm at number one for this list of relevant phrases?'
- Me:'You wouldn't get in a boxing ring with Joe Calzhaghe after jogging a couple of miles and doing a few push-ups, would you?'
- Client:'Well, no.'
- Me:'Exactly. To compete with the big dogs, you need to think bigger. Your site is a 10 stone weakling at the moment, and the aim is to turn it into a champion. It needs to be Rocky Balboa. You won't get the top spots quickly - this takes time and hard work. And it's not cheap.'
People are obsessed with money. Absolutely obsessed. Even more so in a company environment. The chances are the most of the time, the person you are talking to at a client (or potential client) company is not the top dog. They have to justify their decisions, and they certainly have to justify what they spend.
The problem is that the way most people look at SEO (and they are thinking SEO, not marketing - it's up to you to show them the difference) is that they're going to pay a certain amount of money for the top spots for certain keywords. You can guarantee they've been told another company will guarantee 10 number 1 positions for $50.
This is where ROI comes into play. ROI stands for "Return on Investment". Paying $50 for a $0 return is a bad idea - but people do it all the time, because it's cheap. Paying $5,000 for a $50,000 return is a great idea - but people gasp at the very idea they could spend that much in the beginning, despite the potential.
In order to measure a return, you need to use tracking. If you're focussed on natural search, measure natural search traffic. See how many people come to the site, and where from. See where they go in the site. See if they view products, add them to a basket, and complete sales. See if they view products then come back weeks later to buy them. Measure that over time and you can tell a client exactly what effect your marketing campaign is having - and you will be able to show them what they are getting for their money. Usually, telling a client you are going to do this will also put their mind at ease - much easier to spend money on someone when that person tells you how they're going to measure their success. Most companies involved in SEO and online marketing focus on positions, not results.
- Client:'That's good to know. If I can see what's going on, I can give hard numbers to my boss. I'd rather tell him we have 10% more visitors and 20% more sales than tell him we're in top positions for our target phrases but traffic has gone down.'
- Me:'Woohoo! You've taken your first step into a larger world.'
The other thing to bear in mind with money conversations is that most companies think of their site like a brochure. They think of it as a print-like cost, where they pay a fixed sum and that's it. They put the site up, leave it, and expect results. They should be thinking of a site like a salesman. A salesman that never sleeps, rarely gets ill, and can handle virtually unlimited enquiries. As such, they should be thinking of the money they spend more like a wage.
- Client:'We're spending $200 a month on our site now for hosting. Are you saying we should be spending a lot more?'
- Me:'What would you pay a salesman with the figures your site has, ignoring PPC?'
- Client:'Probably $3000 a month.'
- Me:'Then that's what you should be spending on the site. As the figures get better, spend a little more. Remember that that needs to include redesigns, hosting and other costs.'
(Note: PPC is something of a difficult subject to bring in to a monthly spend on a site. You should have a monthly spend on PPC, but it should be managed as a separate entity.)
The same traffic you are monitoring to see where site visitors are coming from and what they are doing when they reach the site can also give you some good places to start making changes. Break the traffic down by area, by language, by time of day (user time of day, not server time of day), and track who converts to a sale and who doesn't. Track people through the sales process, and watch which links they click to navigate and buy products.
This will tell you a huge amount about the current users of the site. It will show you quick wins, opportunities, and highlight problems. Forget search - if on your first day marketing a website you can spot that there is a problem with the site checkout process and get it fixed, you could double sales from existing users. That's a good start to any campaign.
Look at language and area closely as well. If a site is getting traffic from the US, but only sells to the UK, look at similar companies only serving the US and strike a deal with them. You direct US traffic to them, they direct UK traffic to you, and you both do slightly better.
Check browser usage stats, especially if the site is a tables-based dinosaur. The chances are that it is an inaccessible mess. Get it cleaned up! Semantic markup is key - it allows user agents (browsers, search engine spiders, screen readers) to attach specific meaning to different areas of a page. Unlike with tables, semantic markup allows you to differentiate between a header and normal content, or to identify an address. Accessible coding is likely to draw attention, and should help you retain a higher percentage of your visitors, and should help reduce the running costs of your website (lower bandwidth bills and quicker turnarounds on redesigns, for example, both save you money).
- Client:'I don't care about different browsers though - they only make up 1% of my traffic. Everyone else uses Internet Explorer'
- Me:'Perhaps it is because your site doesn't work in other browsers that that number is so low. Even if you do have 99% of users on the same system, the other 1% is still important. Techies use different browsers and operating systems. Techies are also often the people who are asked by their families if they know a good site to buy something from. Many directory editors are in the same boat, and techies can create links to your site.'
- Client:'Ok, techies are important. But do I need to care about blind users and all that accessibility stuff?'
- Me:'Yes, of course. It's a legal obligation for one thing, but users with sight problems make up a far larger proportion of your audience than you might think. They have a voice too - and it's far harder to undo the damage some adverse publicity can do than it is to make a site work properly in the first place. Finally, search engine spiders are blind users with no JavaScript support.'
Dynamic sites are slightly trickier to improve. Most of the time, they are restricted, with the original authors not allowing access to the website code. Even if access to the code is allowed, changes may be overwritten later or worse cause immediate problems on the site. That said, making a site easier to use is important, and often dynamic sites are not easy to use.
Look at the pages users visit in the site, and how they get there. Look at the products they buy and spot themes. Use that information to make the important sections and products easier to find and organise. For example, if listing products, don't make people click through 4 levels of navigation to find them - improve the product navigation. Once they get there, allow them to reorder the page according to what they consider important, be that name, price, manufacturer - whatever is possible.
Remember also that people like to tell other people about things they find. If a user likes something on your site, they may email the address of the page they are on to a friend. Most people use forms to set the ordering criteria of a page. That means that the user will be sending a friend a URL that will show that friend something different to what the user currently sees. Make life easy for your users - use URLs, not forms, wherever possible in a site.
- Client:'I am curious about one thing. We're already really well ranked for the name of our main product, and lots of people search for it. The people that visit our site tend to buy the product. But I can't help feeling that there should be more people coming from the engines. Any ideas?'
- Me:'Yes. The Overture Search Term Suggestion Tool', capitalising my speech for no good reason, 'shows that millions of people search for that phrase. I can see you have a top spot. And your traffic is surprisingly low, but converting well.'
- Client:'So I'm not imagining it then - we have a problem?'
- Me:'Yes, we do. When a user looks at search results, they scan the first two or three words of each link. Your link says "Arthur Jackson Ltd. Sheds and other garden products." That comes from your page title.'
- Client:'And that's bad?'
- Me:'Most people will only glance at "Arthur Jackson Ltd". You need to show them, in the first two or three words of your page title, that you have what they are looking for. And you're not doing that. The user has no reason to click on your link ahead of all the others they see.'
Titles are tricky. They're important to the user, they provide the text for bookmarks, they appear in search results, and search engines use them as part of ranking algorithms. You need for fit branding into a title, and describe a product, ideally also incorporating a call to action. Tricky stuff. But not impossible.
First, consider the brand. Most companies think their company name should be the first thing in a page title, even if the rest is unique for each page (as it should be). However, unless the company has a household brand name, the company name is irrelevant to the searcher. They're looking for a product (or the answer to a question), so show them you have it.
Next, remember that as titles are used as the text for bookmarks, links and appear in search engines, they should, when taken out of context, by themselves, leave no doubt what a page is about.
A good example of a title is:
- "Norwegian Blue Parrot - Buy Norwegian Blue Parrots from Mr. Praline's Pet Shop".
You've included the all-important product name twice in the title, along with a call to action, a hefty dose of branding, and not added irrelevant information. It's a title that tells the user straight away what the page is about. No messing around.
- Client:'Ok, the titles need sorting, but what about the content of the site? I keep hearing that "Content is King".'
- Me:'Content is, ultimately, King. Sites with lots of great content will, over a decent time period, far outperform sites with no original content. But content doesn't just have to be on site ...'
Product is important. The object you sell though is only half of the picture. A user will want support from you. They will want information. They may want news. All of this is part and parcel of the package a company offers. Your site needs good, visible support (including a phone number), as well as plenty of good, original information. Guides to products, online manuals, FAQs, advice - there are always areas, in any industry, where content can be added.
Content need not be solely posted on the website either. Big news should be released as a press release, and there are plenty of services that will distribute press releases for you. These will be reproduced all over the web, allowing more and more people to hear of the company. Most press release services will allow you to embed a link to a site in a press release, generating more direct traffic as well.
When writing content, or advising on the writing of content, remember that it is not about keywords. Sure, keywords are important, but there is more to it than simply stuffing as many keywords into text as possible. Content needs to answer questions - to provide information. It needs to give a user what they are looking for, and they need to feel that it has done that. Content that is written for SEO can read very badly with too many keywords in, and can mean that although more people see an article, most of them leave the site straight away to find a better one.
A good way to add content to a site is a blog, or a news section. Aside from adding plenty of information, this gives a great opportunity to connect with the user. Consumers are constantly being targeted, from every angle, by companies anxious to take their money. Sometimes they get trodden on. When adding content to your site, stay on the side of the average consumer. Recently, in the UK, the energy companies all raised their prices dramatically. Sites that allow users to compare fuel prices almost all missed a great opportunity to have themselves noticed - not one of them posted a decent news item denouncing the changes as unnecessary or over the top. They all simply commented on the change factually.
While on the one hand, some of these companies may be unable to comment in this fashion (and many companies have strict policies regarding neutrality and customer perception), at least one should have been able to stand out by taking a clear, customer-supporting position on the issue. That is the kind of thing that gets companies noticed and remembered, and spotting opportunities like that is key to a good marketing strategy.
Not all content need be inflammatory of course. It does need to be unique in some way, however. It can be controversial, but it could also be definitive - the ultimate and complete guide to a topic. Controversial content is interesting to the user, and definitive content is just plain useful - either makes for good content for any website.
Users go through different stages when buying products, and one of the early ones is a research stage. There is always a good chance that a user will come back to the same place that helped them or impressed them when they were doing research to buy what they were looking for. This is branding - associating specific ideas and feelings with your company. You want your users, when they revisit the web to make a purchase, to think of your company first.
Which brings us nicely to our last, and most important point. Why would a customer think of any company first, ahead of any other. Content will help, yes. A nice design might even make a difference. More than anything else, though, customers pay attention to the company that stands out from the crowd - the company that is different, that offers them something nobody else does. Often known as a Unique Selling Point, or USP, this is the thing that makes you memorable, or if ignored helps you blend into the crowd.
- Client:'But we don't have a USP. How do we get one?'
- Me:'Well, hang on one minute. You say you don't have a USP, but is there nothing about your product that makes it better than the alternatives?'
- Client:'Well, we sell Norwegian Blue Parrots. They're all the same, really. Although a rather large proportion of our competitors appear to sell mostly dead ones.'
- Me:'There you go then. Your USP is that your product is, in fact, not dead.'
- Client:'By that reasoning, a USP could be almost anything, when put in the right light. And when did we turn into a Monty Python sketch?'
- Me:'Be quiet about the Monty Python thing. Yes, though, a USP can be virtually anything. It can be quicker delivery than competitors, better products, better customer service, a freephone enquiries number, or simply the people that run the business. Almost every business has a USP - although most of them don't know what it is.'
Many businesses don't know their own USP. They can't tell you, when you ask, what makes them different. Many of them will just say "because we're better than the others", but can't explain why. Usually, however, a quick chat will reveal what makes them stand out. Whatever the USP is, it needs to be clear and obvious on the website. The customer can't miss it, because if they don't know what makes one business different from another, they're not going to remember it.
- Client:'What about search? You've not told me how to get my site to the top of the search engines!'
- Me:'Let's review, shall we. You've changed your site substantially, so that it meets current standards and you can sell to more of your users. You're showing your clients why you are better than your competition. You've started releasing press releases, and adding content to your site. You're championing the cause of the common man, increasing link numbers and getting people talking about your business. And you know how your users find your site, and what they do when they get there.'
- Client:'And?'
- Me:'You're positioning yourself as a great resource for your market. Your search engine rankings will come as a direct result of everything else you are doing. You're going to perform well in search, as a direct result of good marketing.'
- Client:'I'll get my chequebook.' (Hah. As if.)
114 Comments
Superbly written article on exactly what clients should know about marketing their website. It should be a requirement for clients to read this before ever considering a presence on the web.
Replies: #107.
#1, Brian Truono, United States, 19 May 2006. Reply to this.
Strangly enough, I just stumbled upon your site (looking for cheatsheets), and I agree, this is one of the best articles on website marketing I've read. Your writing style is so fluid and entertaining.
One of our (former) clients just recently traded in their content-driven, standards-based, and custom-designed site for a cheaper Flash template with no content and about a 100 meta-keywords. :'-( I am pointing them to this article right now.
I find the hardest part of my job is convincing people of their ROI (ie. spending more than a few hundred dollars on a website!). They never see past the dollar signs, and like you say, they think of their site as a glorified business card, not a sales tool. We're still young in the business, and this article is a worthwhile asset to better communicating that ROI.
Thank you and keep up the good work! You've got yourself a new reader!
#2, Ryan Scheuermann, United States, 21 May 2006. Reply to this.
Nice read. Enjoyed the dialog.
#3, Cody Lindley, United States, 22 May 2006. Reply to this.
That makes for pretty excellent and thorough reading - hat tip to Rand Fishkin for recommending it - there are few articles I feel like re-reading twice, but this is one of them.
#4, Brian Turner, United Kingdom, 23 May 2006. Reply to this.
Great article, I really enjoyed the read. - well done.
#5, John Endeacott, United Kingdom, 24 May 2006. Reply to this.
The read through your article on SEO and think its great. Thanks for the free info.
#6, Josey Frankman, United States, 24 May 2006. Reply to this.
Your article is that kind of web content with multi-vitamins :)
Really good!
#7, Francisco Cabrita, Portugal, 25 May 2006. Reply to this.
Very well written article, and extremely true for most clients.
#8, WilliamC, United States, 26 May 2006. Reply to this.
Thats is like allmost every my introducing interview with a new client. I thought it is a Czech specificity. Isn't it?
#9, Martin Kopta, Czech Republic, 27 May 2006. Reply to this.
Very easy read and so very true. I loved it. Thanks!
#10, Gerben, Netherlands, 29 May 2006. Reply to this.
So, there I was searching Google for "fish banana druid" and lo and behoid ...
A very interesting read, Dave; lots of good explanations for things it is often difficult to get a client to understand. Thanks.
#11, Paul, United States, 1 June 2006. Reply to this.
Thanks, everyone.
Paul: Funnily enough, I'm now quite well ranked for "fish banana druid", and for "Marty McFly of SEO". Both very useful rankings :)
#12, Dave Child, United Kingdom, 9 June 2006. Reply to this.
Enjoyed the article. One question though. How do I get my clients to say "I'll get my 'checkbook' (instead of 'chequebook') ?"
#13, Alex, United States, 21 June 2006. Reply to this.
Wow, what a great article (only read some parts) - will get me into more understanding, though I knew a lot :)
And definately, this article is the best I've seen so far!
It's on digg.com! http://digg.com/tech_news/Online_Marketing_for_Beginners
Anyway, referring some clients here would be a great idea :)
Thank you.
#14, Anonymous, United Kingdom, 17 July 2006. Reply to this.
I like it - a lot.
#15, felipe, Canada, 20 July 2006. Reply to this.
Excellent! This gathers lots of good info that I saw spread around. I'm going to make an abstract to show to my prospects. This makes an excellent sales presentation.
Thank you Dave!
#16, Thanathos, Argentina, 24 July 2006. Reply to this.
Hi Dave, I have just read your article "Dr. Lance Chambers (Scumbag) Sells Cheat Sheets" and just want you to know that the "abstract" to my prospects is not going to be a copy of this article, just an inspiration. Big inspiration,
where I will develop the main issues accordingly to my country/customers idiosyncracy and concernings.
Just wanted you to know.
Thanks, again!
#17, Thanathos, Argentina, 24 July 2006. Reply to this.
Spot on, well written - a fascinating read, with some examples that I will keep close to hand form now on!!!
Keep up the great work.
#18, Jack Bremer, United Kingdom, 10 August 2006. Reply to this.
Great article & guide. Thanks a bunch! I'll be reusing this one a lot!
Regards,
#19, tyz, Netherlands, 19 September 2006. Reply to this.
Great article & info. Straight forward. I'm thinking about selling norwegian blue parrot. :D
#20, Anton Woo, China, 9 October 2006. Reply to this.
Great read indeed. I start rebuilding my site immediately!
The only thing is that I have no Mac computer hundred kilometres around to test my pages :(
#21, Max, Estonia, 23 October 2006. Reply to this.
I am glad that i stumbled across this site. Not only was it on the top of the search but it has great content. This man knows what he is talking about. Now, to figure out my products and start coding...
time....day's should be longer.
#22, Ty Moser, United States, 27 October 2006. Reply to this.
Excellent article! A neat tool for optimizing google adsense is www.symbiotic.com
#23, Jen, Canada, 15 November 2006. Reply to this.
Easy to understand, very helpful for SEO beginners, thanks.
#24, Seo Best Practices, Costa Rica, 31 January 2007. Reply to this.
Very entertaining and informative. Thanks man!
#25, Allaneux, Unknown, 28 August 2007. Reply to this.
Holy crap. Where has this article been my entire life?
Very useful, lots of information, and actually entertaining to read.
#26, Evil, United States, 17 September 2007. Reply to this.
The only thing is that I have no Mac computer hundred kilometres around to test my pages :(
#27, ???, China, 20 September 2007. Reply to this.
That was well written, useful, and entertaining information.
Thanks for the read.
Phil
#28, Phil, United Kingdom, 20 September 2007. Reply to this.
You said: "What would you pay a salesman with the figures your site has, ignoring PPC?"
That is the most important advice I gotten this year with regards to SEO. Surely it makes sense to see a website as another salesperson and putting in as much as a company would for a real sales person.
Thanks a lot for the insight.
#29, Charles Wilson, Taiwan, 18 January 2008. Reply to this.
That was great read. Thanks a lot.
Roger
#30, Roger Davis, Canada, 12 February 2008. Reply to this.
Great read...some very common mistaken knowledges regarding SEO services. Most people think you can simply pay your way up to the top.
#31, Jason Rogers, United States, 14 February 2008. Reply to this.
Thank you from Germany! Your articles will help us.
#32, medikament, Unknown, 27 February 2008. Reply to this.
I really learn a lot in how really SEO works, i also mess some of it. and even i do my own of my own sites, i know that the best thing is to be patient
#33, weblizzer, Australia, 1 March 2008. Reply to this.
Dave, thank you from The Netherlands, Your articles are very helpful!
Rob
#34, Rob Elbers, Unknown, 5 June 2008. Reply to this.
This is really really good :)
#35, Natalie, Poland, 22 June 2008. Reply to this.
Very helpful! I may have to steal some of this the next time I meet with a client.
#36, aaron cavano, United States, 26 June 2008. Reply to this.
This is a great article! Little bit long, but well worth the read! :)
#37, Colin Jensen, United Kingdom, 2 July 2008. Reply to this.
Grammar correction:
Is: "SEOs will try and improve"
Should be: "SEOs will try to improve"
#38, Rob, United States, 11 July 2008. Reply to this.
Love your customer conversation interludes. Makes for fun reading.
More grammar/format corrections:
Is: "The chances are the most of the time"
Should be "The chances are that most of the time"
Is: "a freephone enquiries number"
Should be "a free phone enquiries number"
QUESTIONS
What is PPC?
I've heard of semantic markup but I've never heard anything about it improving SEO. For example, how can a spider tell the difference between one DIV that contains a header and another DIV that contains the main content? If the first DIV had class="head", that could make a difference but that would mean that there has to be some standard for the names of classes. Class names do not have to be language words but only a unique string of characters linking markup to style. I'd be interested if you could point me to further documentation about how markup affects SEO beyond meta tags.
I love that parrot bit. Do you guys get Monte Python over there too?
Peace, Love, Laughter,
Rob:-]
#39, Rob, United States, 11 July 2008. Reply to this.
Thank you from Pakistan!
Your articles really helpful for me.
#40, Kashif, Pakistan, 11 July 2008. Reply to this.
> Do you guys get Monte Python over there too?
Please tell me that was a joke. Spelling correction, by the way ... it's "Monty Python" :)
> how can a spider tell the difference between one DIV that contains a header and another DIV that contains the main content?
It can't. That would be an example of non-semantic markup. If you put the header in an h1 tag, then it can tell the difference and the markup conveys meaning. You can find out more about how google treats <title>, <h1>, <strong> etc on any seo guide or forum.
Thanks, everyone, for your comments and feedback so far! :)
#41, DaveChild, United Kingdom, 12 July 2008. Reply to this.
great article!! bit long.. but worth reading it.
#42, patrickd, Australia, 18 July 2008. Reply to this.
Highly informative, very well written. Thanks for the time and effort.
"And now for something completely different..."
#43, Dave K, United States, 23 July 2008. Reply to this.
This is indeed a very well-written article. Funny thing, I just had almost this exact same conversation with a new client the other day. I should have transcribed it into a blog post, but I guess you beat me to it. I will definitely have to link to this articl from our site!
#44, Steve Schwartz, United States, 25 July 2008. Reply to this.
long article but all of it useful! thanks
#45, neil, United Kingdom, 12 August 2008. Reply to this.
Valuable! I learnt lots of useful points from you.
#46, Tiger, India, 17 August 2008. Reply to this.
Amazing, truly Amazing!!!
#47, David Gadyt, United Kingdom, 20 August 2008. Reply to this.
very well written and covered a lot which his required for client.
i enjoy reading
#48, tejash patel, Australia, 9 September 2008. Reply to this.
Brilliant article, Must bookmark this site.
#49, Chris H, Unknown, 9 October 2008. Reply to this.
Great article i learnt so many new things from it.
And even i like your cheat Sheets..
I enjoyed while reading this article..
#50, Hastimal Shah, Unknown, 22 October 2008. Reply to this.
What a great article. You've really hit the nail(s) on the head!
#51, Rich, Australia, 17 November 2008. Reply to this.
dear dave,
iam a new in web design, i want to became a no 1 in this field.
i don't know any thing about online business so what things should i do. Iam using flash, dreamweaver, photoshop.
pls & Thank "U"
#52, Thameemul Ansari, Saudi Arabia, Jeddah, 11 December 2008. Reply to this.
wow..long article but very much worth a read.
#53, Allan, United Arab Emirates, 16 December 2008. Reply to this.
The article is spot on
#54, Adam Gill, United Kingdom, 20 December 2008. Reply to this.
i think i'll use this verbatim to show clients when they give me the "why aren't i #1 in Google" question. Very nicely put in terms anyone can understand!
#55, Melek, United States, 22 December 2008. Reply to this.
Bravo. It's all starting to make sense now.
#56, Dave-O, United States, 31 December 2008. Reply to this.
Hey, how about a pdf version of the article?
#57, invader365, Unknown, 16 January 2009. Reply to this.
thanks for taking the time to write this, very useful to have it presented as you would present to a client
#58, tom, Unknown, 26 January 2009. Reply to this.
I haven't seen a better written article so far related to online marketing. Thank you!
#59, Cristi, Unknown, 27 January 2009. Reply to this.
Excellent read, thank you. I'm always saying that the phrase "content is king" isn't true, as people don't link to good content, they just steal it and put it on their website.... so to prove my point, I'll copy and paste this to my blog.... hehehe... only kidding, no, I'll write an intro, and send my readers to this page, i just check in copyscape, and oddly enough, this page hasn't been copied, how unusal... there goes my theory out the window.
Anyway thank you very much for writing this, definitely bookmarking it.
#60, Lynn Brown, United States, 28 January 2009. Reply to this.
So basically, what your saying is you can't get people to rank for the keywords they want, and they shouldnt be wasting money hiring someone like you?
#61, Josh, United Kingdom, 29 January 2009. Reply to this.
@Josh: Ballsy, leaving an anonymous comment. I'd normally ignore it, but since you've taken the time to attack me personally instead of attacking what I say, I might as well respond to it.
Aside from the obvious (top 10 spots for mod_rewrite, regular expressions; high traffic website; etc), I've had a client in the top 10 for "loans", most "cheap flights to" spots and a top spot for "dance music". That I can talk about.
Does that matter? Not in the slightest. Do I think I need - or anyone needs - a good track record to talk about search marketing? I would have thought that the article above amply demonstrates that I care about numbers, not records.
I've not sold myself in the article above. There is no "hire me" text at the bottom of it. There's a sales pitch in the footer, but that's hardly in your face.
Josh, go out and work on some websites. Experiment and see what happens. Most importantly, do try and lighten up.
#62, DaveChild, United Kingdom, 29 January 2009. Reply to this.
some great pointers
#63, Tom, United Kingdom, 30 January 2009. Reply to this.
Dave, that was the most informative and pleasurable article i've read in a long time. Your salesman analogy was perfect and really puts across to the client what SEO and marketing is all about.
All the best.
#64, Nick Bright, Dartford, 30 January 2009. Reply to this.
very very explanatory article.
I saw myself as dave :)
#65, hal?, turkey, 14 February 2009. Reply to this.
You really hit home with this post. I can recall many a conversation with clients that went along these same lines.
#66, James Svoboda, Unknown, 4 March 2009. Reply to this.
Same happening here, a client come say he wants to be number one in Google search. Then I ask for keywords and he give me a list of few premium words that return some website with PR8 and when I look at client site, its not even indexed in Google LOL
#67, Hashim, India, 6 March 2009. Reply to this.
great article.. a lot of people don't understand the concept of online marketing and think SEO experts will create miracles for them.
#68, Reheen, India, 26 March 2009. Reply to this.
Wow, this is a great read, thanks!
#69, Scarf*oo, Unknown, 29 March 2009. Reply to this.
Very good article, and your writing style is very good Dave.
#70, aledujke, Serbia And Montenegro, 1 April 2009. Reply to this.
Fantastic article, informative and entertaining. Your content is king!
#71, Ben, Manchester, UK, 6 April 2009. Reply to this.
Dave,
Great article, really great! I get a lot of questions about SEO and what we can do for them; this explains it nicely as well as helps manage expectations.
#72, Mike, Texas, United States, 14 April 2009. Reply to this.
Love the advice. I am a techie that designs for my nonprofit workplace. How is online marketing different if your service is in-person and local? We don't waste time on keywords.
I am making attempts to keep our page updated with fresh content. It is up-hill battle since I am have difficulty convincing others to write content.
#73, Sam, Unknown, 31 May 2009. Reply to this.
Thanks a lot for this helpful and impressive article, nicely done!
#74, Fuat, Unknown, 1 June 2009. Reply to this.
Great article, Dave. Both very well written and informative. Many of us will recognize the dialogues as you describe them. I will forward your article to colleagues and clients. We can all learn from it and make online work better for all of us.
#75, Frans Reichardt, The Netherlands, 4 June 2009. Reply to this.
I really enjoyed reading this for some language to use with clients when discussing their search marketing. I am subscribing to your feed as I find you really, really funny and will enjoy reading your future posts.
#76, tinealene, United States, 5 June 2009. Reply to this.
Great article. A lot of helpful tips on seo.
Thanks
#77, Jacob Boehm, Unknown, 27 June 2009. Reply to this.
Absolutely excellent. Should be required reading for both seo service providers and clients wishing to obtain seo services.
Well written. Thank you!
#78, Charles, Mexico, 10 July 2009. Reply to this.
A really great article. Bookmarked :)
This article open the door/window of "addedbytes" to me. U got another reader. Cheers
Keep it up!
#79, ???, ?????, 23 July 2009. Reply to this.
this is an excellent resource, and the style is entertaining and never boring, quite an achievement.
Pure gold!!
#80, paul, brazil, 25 July 2009. Reply to this.
haha all the above points are what SEO professionals have to endure with on a daily basis. Some people have either no clue what internet marketing is all about or simple can't understand that building a quality website for users is what make it succeed in the long-run!
#81, Mark, Unknown, 30 July 2009. Reply to this.
Now that is great. May be I should translate it into German and use it while talking to some of new clients. Would you mind if i do so. Which credits would you like?
I will revisit your site in the future as I really enjoyed this article.
Thanks.
Thomas
#82, Thomas, germany, 7 September 2009. Reply to this.
Really great article. thanks a lot for this.
#83, sasi, India, 24 September 2009. Reply to this.
Like it, all very true, its hard work and many give up. What I would like to see if an article titled How to spend £1000 to get yourself to the top. As most people would not know how even if they had the money. Yes you can just pay some SEO company £1000 and off they go but I think people want more this days, they want some knowledge.
#84, smellypunks, United Kingdom, 8 October 2009. Reply to this.
That is the way people actually looked for :) Nice brief instead of regular article. Love it :)
#85, Fuad Ahasan Chowdhury, Australia, 14 October 2009. Reply to this.
Still relevant in 2009.
#86, Mary Pipiciello, Australia, 14 October 2009. Reply to this.
Still find this post really funny. Both for what you said in the post, and some of the strange comments from people attacking you for giving a bit of help! Crazy!
#87, Dave, Northampton, 18 November 2009. Reply to this.
Great (long) tips rich dialogue. Would be much useful for the beginners to understand/foresee a negotiation with the client.
Thanks!
#88, Dani Gorgon, UAE, 24 December 2009. Reply to this.
Based on Google's webmaster guide, we should develop web site considering the visitors are the clients, not only for search engines.
#89, bractus, usa, 10 February 2010. Reply to this.
Brilliant article. Written in such an easy to read manner.
#90, Sebastian Green, UK, 10 February 2010. Reply to this.
What a great read! Especially like the idea of likening the cost of a website to the wages of a sales person. I had not thought of it like that before.
#91, Stephen, Tenerife, 10 February 2010. Reply to this.
Hey, great article. I agree that you should really just build your site for the users, only make an SEO change to your site if you think it would be helpful to the user. That means things like making titles more understandable, but not keyword stuffing.
I don't really agree with making the markup more semantic. As irritating as table-based designs are, there are many sites that rank well and perform well as a business that are layed out by tables. I think there are many more things to do before recoding your site that will give more "bang for your buck"
#92, Richard Wilson, New Zealand, 10 February 2010. Reply to this.
This is a nice post. I like the idea where ROI come into play.
#93, rabant, Philippines, 11 February 2010. Reply to this.
There is a lot of great practicle advice here, thanks very much!
#94, Will Peach, UK, 11 February 2010. Reply to this.
Everything you mentioned in this article was spot on. Most clients just don't understand the fundamentals of SEO and get tricked by other companies who guarantee a number 1 spot on search engines, making it harder for the good SEO's to change a clients way of thinking.
Thanks for writing this!
#95, Kelly, 11 February 2010. Reply to this.
Nicely written! I used some of your tips in a meeting with a customer and I saw I triggered their minds. Thanks!
#96, Tim, 13 February 2010. Reply to this.
Thank you for sharing. But i wonder is this really important??? I am newbie in SEO by the way.
#97, nev, england, 1 March 2010. Reply to this.
It is so true about so many clients. Great article.
I don't know why some people are complaining that it is too long. How can you complain about having too much of something good?
#98, Andrey, 4 March 2010. Reply to this.
I like your style. Thank you very much for this great article.
#99, Turkse Community, Netherlands, 13 April 2010. Reply to this.
Wasn't ready with writing.
So, can I post this on my website?
#100, Turkse Community, Netherlands, 13 April 2010. Reply to this.
Amazing stuff. This is the thought process or may be the evolution that a client goes through.
#101, Hosting Guru, Canada, 2 September 2010. Reply to this.
Thank you. Though this article was written 4 years ago, it is still pertinent today. Finding your USP works for any business.
#102, Gail O, U.S.A., 28 September 2010. Reply to this.
great beginner walk-thru of online marketing, even if this is a few months old post, it still carries what most people think about online marketing and that it is about SEO... just shake my head when i hear it...
#103, Mel, Philippines, 4 March 2011. Reply to this.
This was a well written and well presented article. Sometimes its hard to convince clients or to tell people how online marketing should be done.
Most of the people just know one word 'traffic'. People don't know anything about conversion optimization or creating a valuable and easy to use website.
We need to explain to other people that its the usability and value that makes a website successful not just 'traffic'
Thanks,
Maria
#104, Maria, USA, 23 March 2011. Reply to this.
Excellent article and what a funny opening. I have been in that same situation too many times.
Many small business owners who haven't done web marketing before don't have a clue what goes into it or how it works and have great expectations with little investment. Midsize to large companies don't have this problem because they have marketing/advertising departments that know what they're talking about.
I believe it's part of our responsibilities as SEOs to make sure businesses have realistic expectations and are satisfied with the results they will be getting.
#105, Kentaro, USA, 4 May 2011. Reply to this.
Internet Marketer need to put lot of effort in there. It is not that easy as you think. Because you may know the methods but it hard to implement it well. You may need more time and effort on it.
#106, Jerrick, Singapore, 23 May 2011. Reply to this.
Thanks for this. :-) I am new to marketing and am working hard at getting the right info in my head to ease the pain a little. This is a great article you have raised some important points that I have not come across elsewhere yet and I have done a lot of looking.
The bit about being on page one in rankings but having no customers is my position now,
I understand now maybe a lower rank, with skillfull targetting leads to greater sales maybe way to go for me thanks again.
Ill spread the word about you
#107, darren thomas, england, 5 December 2011. Reply to this.
And dont forget another powerful type of marketing – word of mouth which leads to bloggers marketing your site unintentionally. Connecting with bloggers is just the beginning.
#108, Leo Dean, USA, 10 December 2011. Reply to this.
very boring
Replies: #110.
#109, Anonymous, 6 April 2012. Reply to this.
Though this is supposed to be for beginners, it is always very good to go back over old ground. I bet if you were to take your driving test again after so many years behind the wheel you would have forgotten a number of the most basic of things....!
Nice work!
#110, Nic Cohen, United Kingdom, 18 July 2012. Reply to this.
#109 I am new to marketing and am working hard at getting the right info in my head to ease the pain a little.
Midsize to large companies don't have this problem because they have marketing/advertising departments that know what they're talking about.
#111, Gust, australia, 3 September 2012. Reply to this.
Nice post! In online marketing, or in Social Media for example, marketing plans are built upon the same foundations of 5 W's: Why, Who, Where, When and What, found on this article: http://www.webolutions.com/blog/the-5-w-s-of-social-media-marketing-plans
Reading that will help us determine our goals in marketing, and that's one of the basics.
#112, Joe, United States, 20 September 2012. Reply to this.
Dave great article and thanks for sharing all of your insights. Good advice regarding page titles and customers wanting support, FAQs and a customer service phone number. Your site is a great resource.
#113, Dave Cotton, Australia, 3 December 2012. Reply to this.
Very well written and helpful. As a beginner it will save me loads of time. Thanks.
#114, Peter, Malta, 19 April 2013. Reply to this.